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Re: TECH: specifity & definiteness
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> > What is an  example of a specific indefinite reference (in English)?
> Assuming that And's talking about the definite article
> "the" vs. the indefinite article "a", then this is one
> of the points I've tried to make several times now.
Since then And has said that definiteness is not tied to the article "the",
but rather is a listener-centric property: the listener is expected to
know the referent. Lojban doesn't have any direct way of expressing this.
BTW, nobody so far has given an example of -specific +definite in English.
lojbab has produced one case in Lojban:
A: mi klama le zarci
B: le zarci be ma
A: I'm going to the house.
B: Whose house?
Here A's use is +specific -definite; he knows what he means, but doesn't
necessarily expect B to know, and indeed B does not. However, when B
uses the construction, it is -specific +definite; B expects A to know the
referent, but B doesn't know the referent! Needless to say, this case is
highly anomalous, and arises because B is parroting A's usage without real
John Cowan firstname.lastname@example.org ...!uunet!lock60!snark!cowan
e'osai ko sarji la lojban.