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Re: Less expert opinion
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> 1) 'mi' is ambiguous there (and my English reflexes made
> me read it as 'me'. I suggest 'mi poi norcertu' - which is
> still strictly ambiguous, but pragmatically suggests that
> 'mi' is not singular, as the restrictive clause would be
> pointless then.
> Nick once used 'mi pe va' for a plural, but I don't think
> it works too well.
> I've just thought of another possibility (ki'e .and):
> 'za'u mi' = more than one of me/us.
Well, that has problems too: it means "more than one of the (perhaps many)
who are us". However, this problem can be cured by preposing an article:
le za'u mi
the more-than-one-who-are us
because in the form LE+quantifier+sumti, the quantifier serves as both
inner quantifier for the descriptor and as outer quantifier for the
contained sumti; in the former role, it says how many there are.
(But "ro lo" might be better than "le" to pin it down.)
> 3) le/lo: John has a paper in draft (to go into the textbook), but
> I'll try.
I wish. That paper is not yet even begun, but we do have some stuff
from the textbook, the 10/88 grammar summary (mostly obsolete, but still
usable as a mine), and elsewhere.
> The fundamental distinction between 'lo' and 'le' is indeed
> veridicalness. But because of this, and their default
> quantification, there is also a difference in specificity.
> lo remna
> is elliptic for
> su'o lo ro remna
> 'at least one of all humans'
> le remna
> is elliptic for
> su'o le su'o remna
> 'at least one of the at-least-one things I am describing
> as human'
Almost. Actually it's "ro le su'o remna", >all< of the at-least-one
things I am describing as human. When you say "The men came into the room"
about a specific group of men, you mean all of them unless you explicitly
quantify, so "le" matches English "the" here.
> mi klama le zarci
> I go to at least one of the at-least-one things I am
to all of the at-least-one ...
> describing as a shop.
> but that 'describing' means that the sumti is (almost
> certainly) specific.
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