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*To*: Erik Rauch <erikr@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>*Subject*: Re: comments on the batch of lujvo etc. psoted thus far*From*: Jorge LLambias <jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU>*Date*: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 14:28:59 EDT*Reply-To*: Jorge LLambias <jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU>*Sender*: Lojban list <LOJBAN%CUVMB.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU>

Comments on some of the comments: > >milna'u mulno namcu integer (whole-number) > > copies the common metaphor. But the significance of that metaphor > is lost to most people - it is I think the contrast with fractional > hence perhaps no'e frinu namcu (they aren't really non-fractional > since they can be expressed fractionally) or na'e pagbu namcu Please, not {no'e frinu}. That can be nothing but irrational, i.e. non-rational, not a fraction. And how is {na'e pagbu} clearer than {mulno} ? > >cluna'u culno namcu complex (full-number) > > Complex numbers with only a real and "i" component would be re cimde > namcu or even plita namcu. > Are there any other complex numbers? {plite mamcu} sounds good. > > negative numbers might also be fatne namcu or even nonmlecynamcu > with positive numbers being nonzmadynamcu > Not {fatne namcu}, {fatne} is something like reverse order, like 10, 9, 8, ... I like the other two. > >Irrational number would be: no'e frinu namcu => norfrinyna'u > > Per above, I would see this as whole numbers. no'e means neutral on the scale > and the irrationals are the complement set. > Irrationals are neutral on the scale of being fractions. It is a zero-one scale, a number either is or is not a fraction. Is {frinu} the mathematical sense of fraction, or the everyday sense? > >> brooch X1 is a brooch > >ra'etci ralte tutci (hold-tool) > > I think you have a dfferent word in mind - pliers is what the local > group thought your tanru suggested, or possibly wrench. A brooch is > a jewelry item which is pinned on. > Yes, I was translating the Spanish "broche", which means both "brooch" and "clip, clasp, fastener". > > >> degree X1 IEC X2 times one degree of angle 1/360 of a circle. > >julra'o junla radno (clock-radian) (In the same spirit as > > djacu kelvo for degree Celsius. Clock divisions > > are integer numbers of degrees) > > a reasonable metaphor if not one that people are likely to recognize. djacu > kelvo is after all derived from the definition of the Celsius scale. > People won't recognize it, but it's easy to remember once explained. Or are all lujvo supposed to be self-explanatory? > Since degrees are a "local" i.e. non-metric angle measurement, it might > be worthwhile finding out what culture (Greek, Latin, Arabic?) first > assigned the division of a circle into 360 units, then call it xelso > radno, or whichever. That would fit the pattern thus far used for local > units. I wouldn't say degrees are a "local" unit. Whatever their origin they're much less so than radians, which are "local" to the scientific community. > >> roundtrip X1 makes a round trip from X2 to X3 and back, via X4 > > > >davdevjevdevdavklama :-) (dev is not in the rafsi list but I need it!) > > %^) once we figured it out - using non-standard rafsi often leaves one > clueless. How about clupa litru or clupa klama > If roundtrip means in a loop, ok. If it means going and coming back via the same route, then clupa doesn't work. > >> vertex,point X1 is a vertex (point) of polygon X2 Also for polyhedra > and > >> higher dimensions. > >jipnymokca jipno mokca (vertex-point) > > actually kojna may be the best basis for this one The definition I have for {kojna} says at-least-three-dimensional. co'o mi'e xorxes.

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