creoles

[CJ FINE <cbmvax!uunet!BRADFORD.AC.UK!C.J.Fine>]

Lojbab quoth:
> Now the fact that Esperanto norms are NOT determined by native-born speakers
> is therefore precisely why such linguists do not consider Esperanto a true
> language yet, as opposed to a creole (which is precisely an amalgamated
> language spoken by adults of differing native language backgrounds for
> mutual communication).  There are some linguists, but very few, who study
> creoles, and the creolization process whereby a creole spoken as the dominant
> tongue in a region becomes a true language because that becomes the language
> that adults teach their children.  These linguists tend to study those
> processes, not the adult speaking norms, which as I've said are not
> 'interesting' because they are likely to be uninstinctive in nature and hence
> not reminiscent of pure linguistic behavior.

I believe that what you've described as a 'creole' is more often termed
a 'pidgin'. Creolization is when the pidgin does start to be the native
language of a new generation, and thus becomes a creole.

va'o I agree with Edmund on computer languages, and indeed in general on
his categorisation.
		kolin